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		<title>By: Mike</title>
		<link>http://www.emergingparents.com/2007/10/a-reflection-on-education/comment-page-1/#comment-122</link>
		<dc:creator>Mike</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 31 Oct 2007 20:49:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A common theme that I have seen running through a lot of the &quot;pro home school&quot; comments suggests that the public school system is incapable of teaching, equiping and nurturing the kids that go through it.  My thoughts, as a product of public education, and having 3 kids (B12, B11, G6) in public schhol is that the development of the child is a team effort amongst the family, the school and the church.  Just as some parents are dumbfounded that their kids aren&#039;t learning anything in the classroom because of the &quot;system&quot;, these same parents are also the ones who expect their kids to learn about God and Jesus at children&#039;s programming without any re-inforcement at home.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;My kids exhibit the traits that most of the home school crowd state that their kids exhibit - wonder and awe at learning, healthy desire to go above and beyond what&#039;s required, well-mannered, able to communicate with people younger and older than themselves, etc.  They didn&#039;t get that way because NOR in spite of their schooling.  It&#039;s been the contant involvement of both my wife and I, as well as their Sunday School and mid-week programming teachers.  It takes work, but that is what you have accepted once you become a parent.  You can also use all of the time outside of school as real life learning experiences as well, not just during the time that you&#039;d be home-schooling.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Part of what Jesus calls us to do is to go out into the mission fields and help bring the good word to all.  That doesn&#039;t mean just adults - kids, even as young as Kindergarten, can lead by example and show a secular society what Jesus has called us to do.  My kids use their lives as examples of what God has called them to do, and they couldn&#039;t do that at home while being home-schooled.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A common theme that I have seen running through a lot of the &#8220;pro home school&#8221; comments suggests that the public school system is incapable of teaching, equiping and nurturing the kids that go through it.  My thoughts, as a product of public education, and having 3 kids (B12, B11, G6) in public schhol is that the development of the child is a team effort amongst the family, the school and the church.  Just as some parents are dumbfounded that their kids aren&#8217;t learning anything in the classroom because of the &#8220;system&#8221;, these same parents are also the ones who expect their kids to learn about God and Jesus at children&#8217;s programming without any re-inforcement at home.</p>
<p>My kids exhibit the traits that most of the home school crowd state that their kids exhibit &#8211; wonder and awe at learning, healthy desire to go above and beyond what&#8217;s required, well-mannered, able to communicate with people younger and older than themselves, etc.  They didn&#8217;t get that way because NOR in spite of their schooling.  It&#8217;s been the contant involvement of both my wife and I, as well as their Sunday School and mid-week programming teachers.  It takes work, but that is what you have accepted once you become a parent.  You can also use all of the time outside of school as real life learning experiences as well, not just during the time that you&#8217;d be home-schooling.</p>
<p>Part of what Jesus calls us to do is to go out into the mission fields and help bring the good word to all.  That doesn&#8217;t mean just adults &#8211; kids, even as young as Kindergarten, can lead by example and show a secular society what Jesus has called us to do.  My kids use their lives as examples of what God has called them to do, and they couldn&#8217;t do that at home while being home-schooled.</p>
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		<title>By: Lisa</title>
		<link>http://www.emergingparents.com/2007/10/a-reflection-on-education/comment-page-1/#comment-70</link>
		<dc:creator>Lisa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Oct 2007 19:48:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>We&#039;ve homeschooled our kids their whoe lives.  At ages 13, 12, and 10, here are some of the things that I am currently seeing as benefits of our homeschooling.  (Please note that I am not excluding public school kids from some of these things, but this is our experience)&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;1.  I love the social experience my kids have had.  They do not feel bound by grade, so they have friends their age, younger, older, and adults.  Their social life feels  a bit like an extended family.  I guess it feels more like my social life does as an adult and I see them benefitting richly from it.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;2.  They are grounded and comfortable with themselves.  They are a bit mystified by their observation that kids who attend school seem to want to all be alike.  It is their experience that different and varied is normal.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;3.  I can tailor their education to their learning styles.  They can really delve into the things that fascinate them and be efficient with the things that are less exciting for them.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;4.  They have free time in which to follow their passions or just be....&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;I guess that is just a start.  It&#039;s working well for our family, it&#039;s hard work and we love it!  &lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;As far as isolation, I think that that is a parental decision.  We are part of a group of 125 families in San Francisco.  Very few of them would describe themselves as Christians and of those, there are many different practices represented.  Our kids will know the people we know, so they&#039;ll only be isolated if we isolate ourselves.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;I&#039;d love to talk more homeschooling with anyone interested--farmgirl70 at comcast dot net</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We&#8217;ve homeschooled our kids their whoe lives.  At ages 13, 12, and 10, here are some of the things that I am currently seeing as benefits of our homeschooling.  (Please note that I am not excluding public school kids from some of these things, but this is our experience)</p>
<p>1.  I love the social experience my kids have had.  They do not feel bound by grade, so they have friends their age, younger, older, and adults.  Their social life feels  a bit like an extended family.  I guess it feels more like my social life does as an adult and I see them benefitting richly from it.</p>
<p>2.  They are grounded and comfortable with themselves.  They are a bit mystified by their observation that kids who attend school seem to want to all be alike.  It is their experience that different and varied is normal.</p>
<p>3.  I can tailor their education to their learning styles.  They can really delve into the things that fascinate them and be efficient with the things that are less exciting for them.</p>
<p>4.  They have free time in which to follow their passions or just be&#8230;.</p>
<p>I guess that is just a start.  It&#8217;s working well for our family, it&#8217;s hard work and we love it!  </p>
<p>As far as isolation, I think that that is a parental decision.  We are part of a group of 125 families in San Francisco.  Very few of them would describe themselves as Christians and of those, there are many different practices represented.  Our kids will know the people we know, so they&#8217;ll only be isolated if we isolate ourselves.</p>
<p>I&#8217;d love to talk more homeschooling with anyone interested&#8211;farmgirl70 at comcast dot net</p>
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		<title>By: brett</title>
		<link>http://www.emergingparents.com/2007/10/a-reflection-on-education/comment-page-1/#comment-66</link>
		<dc:creator>brett</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Oct 2007 17:12:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I love all your thoughts.&lt;br/&gt;This is an issue I think about a lot. I will be getting my credential to teach in California next year. Our oldest is 2 so we have a few years yet. I am a firm believer in Emotional Quotient over Intelligence Quotient because of the severe offset in public schools. &lt;br/&gt;We also live on a farm where my daughter has little to no interaction with other kids. Unless our situation changes I think we will put her in the public school system to help get social skills. I know there are other ways of achieving this but we don&#039;t go to church and are circumstantially isolated, not necessarily intentionally.&lt;br/&gt;Maybe after teaching a bit before she enters school will help us decide.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I love all your thoughts.<br />This is an issue I think about a lot. I will be getting my credential to teach in California next year. Our oldest is 2 so we have a few years yet. I am a firm believer in Emotional Quotient over Intelligence Quotient because of the severe offset in public schools. <br />We also live on a farm where my daughter has little to no interaction with other kids. Unless our situation changes I think we will put her in the public school system to help get social skills. I know there are other ways of achieving this but we don&#8217;t go to church and are circumstantially isolated, not necessarily intentionally.<br />Maybe after teaching a bit before she enters school will help us decide.</p>
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		<title>By: jeff greer</title>
		<link>http://www.emergingparents.com/2007/10/a-reflection-on-education/comment-page-1/#comment-63</link>
		<dc:creator>jeff greer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Oct 2007 05:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Me and my wife have had discussions about this as well.  Our daughter is 3 and the we have thought the same things about having the early years to teach our daughter that there is a &#039;different&#039; way to live and helping her to have the ability to make her own choices instead of being one of the crowd... on either side of the spectrum.  So it is a tough decision, since every child is different and every situation is different.  You also make a great point about the amount of time a public school setting would have influence over her and this at an age where she doesn&#039;t really comprehend how to make the right decisions all the time.  But, I am completely against &#039;isolation&#039; or &#039;separation&#039; from culture.  We would also teach the opposite... how to be immersed in our culture, yet live according to another standard and not the cultures standard... how to give and not take...how to love and not hate...how to give grace and not judge...how to make the right choices when all the voices are shouting &#039;do whatever you want to do&#039;.  These are important values that a 5 year old doesn&#039;t have a grasp on yet at that age and so I see the reasoning behind wanting to have the opportunity during at least the early years to help teach our child those values.  Unfortunately, I have seen very few (maybe 2) examples of homeschooling that didn&#039;t stem from &#039;isolation because of fear of the world&#039; or homeschooled children who were so incredibly smart, but yet had absolutely zero social skills, so it is great to hear of others out there who are &#039;breaking the stereo-typical homeschooling walls down&#039; and doing it differently.  this helps tremendously in our decision making process of what to do when our daughter is ready to start school.  thanks so much for the thoughts!  &lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;rock on,&lt;br/&gt;jeff</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Me and my wife have had discussions about this as well.  Our daughter is 3 and the we have thought the same things about having the early years to teach our daughter that there is a &#8216;different&#8217; way to live and helping her to have the ability to make her own choices instead of being one of the crowd&#8230; on either side of the spectrum.  So it is a tough decision, since every child is different and every situation is different.  You also make a great point about the amount of time a public school setting would have influence over her and this at an age where she doesn&#8217;t really comprehend how to make the right decisions all the time.  But, I am completely against &#8216;isolation&#8217; or &#8217;separation&#8217; from culture.  We would also teach the opposite&#8230; how to be immersed in our culture, yet live according to another standard and not the cultures standard&#8230; how to give and not take&#8230;how to love and not hate&#8230;how to give grace and not judge&#8230;how to make the right choices when all the voices are shouting &#8216;do whatever you want to do&#8217;.  These are important values that a 5 year old doesn&#8217;t have a grasp on yet at that age and so I see the reasoning behind wanting to have the opportunity during at least the early years to help teach our child those values.  Unfortunately, I have seen very few (maybe 2) examples of homeschooling that didn&#8217;t stem from &#8216;isolation because of fear of the world&#8217; or homeschooled children who were so incredibly smart, but yet had absolutely zero social skills, so it is great to hear of others out there who are &#8216;breaking the stereo-typical homeschooling walls down&#8217; and doing it differently.  this helps tremendously in our decision making process of what to do when our daughter is ready to start school.  thanks so much for the thoughts!  </p>
<p>rock on,<br />jeff</p>
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		<title>By: Ricci</title>
		<link>http://www.emergingparents.com/2007/10/a-reflection-on-education/comment-page-1/#comment-62</link>
		<dc:creator>Ricci</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Oct 2007 04:50:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks to all for you thoughtful comments.  &lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;My husband has been encouraging me to share for quite a while, but it&#039;s taken me a bit of time to get up the nerve.  It&#039;s wonderful to hear that there are so many others out there thinking similar thoughts.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks to all for you thoughtful comments.  </p>
<p>My husband has been encouraging me to share for quite a while, but it&#8217;s taken me a bit of time to get up the nerve.  It&#8217;s wonderful to hear that there are so many others out there thinking similar thoughts.</p>
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		<title>By: Ricci</title>
		<link>http://www.emergingparents.com/2007/10/a-reflection-on-education/comment-page-1/#comment-61</link>
		<dc:creator>Ricci</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Oct 2007 04:47:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Upstream - Thanks for your question. Since our daughter will be turning five soon, understand that most of what I&#039;m speaking to right now is what we hope for.  &lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;First of all she is an extremely social creature which keeps her introverted mother very busy, so I&#039;m definitely having to consider how to deal with the social issues.  Our district here has a homeschool link where they offer music, art, and language classes along with some others which I&#039;m hoping will help her have that kid face time she needs.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;As to what I think we can gain it&#039;s a little harder for me to verbalize at this point but I&#039;ll try.  I guess we want her to think of herself as part of something bigger than herself, as a member of a community.  Not just an individual pursuing personal desires and goals, but as a member of society working for the betterment of all.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;On the flip side we want to be able to treat her as an individual with individual needs.  If she&#039;s struggling and needs a break we skip it and come back to it later.  If she loves something we dive in.  If she&#039;s studying art we jump on the bus and head downtown to the museum.  There&#039;s a lot more to it but that&#039;s the basic idea.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Upstream &#8211; Thanks for your question. Since our daughter will be turning five soon, understand that most of what I&#8217;m speaking to right now is what we hope for.  </p>
<p>First of all she is an extremely social creature which keeps her introverted mother very busy, so I&#8217;m definitely having to consider how to deal with the social issues.  Our district here has a homeschool link where they offer music, art, and language classes along with some others which I&#8217;m hoping will help her have that kid face time she needs.</p>
<p>As to what I think we can gain it&#8217;s a little harder for me to verbalize at this point but I&#8217;ll try.  I guess we want her to think of herself as part of something bigger than herself, as a member of a community.  Not just an individual pursuing personal desires and goals, but as a member of society working for the betterment of all.</p>
<p>On the flip side we want to be able to treat her as an individual with individual needs.  If she&#8217;s struggling and needs a break we skip it and come back to it later.  If she loves something we dive in.  If she&#8217;s studying art we jump on the bus and head downtown to the museum.  There&#8217;s a lot more to it but that&#8217;s the basic idea.</p>
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		<title>By: Cindy</title>
		<link>http://www.emergingparents.com/2007/10/a-reflection-on-education/comment-page-1/#comment-60</link>
		<dc:creator>Cindy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Oct 2007 03:07:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Scott, I apologize. I shouldn&#039;t have made such a generalization.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Scott, I apologize. I shouldn&#8217;t have made such a generalization.</p>
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		<title>By: Scott</title>
		<link>http://www.emergingparents.com/2007/10/a-reflection-on-education/comment-page-1/#comment-58</link>
		<dc:creator>Scott</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Oct 2007 00:52:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Walter Bruggeman said a few years back at one of the Emergent Theological Conversations regarding the scripting effect of our culture that the point is not to ever let our kids go to the movies, but teach them how to view the movie wisely.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;I would think that the same would apply to public schools.  It is not that we shouldn&#039;t send them to public schools but equip them to engage that education and the diversity of cultures they will experience there in a wise way.  &lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Finally, I would like to note that I am a product of the educational system that Cindy sniped at above. I did all right. I don&#039;t buy into nor appreciate the stereotype.  &lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;I also happen to know multitude of highly qualified, compassionate and dedicated teaching professionals.  It is unfortunate that Julie seems to have never met one. There is no field that has the corner on the incompetence  market.  My guess is there are plenty of deadbeats carrying the degree she has as well.  The implications of Julie&#039;s statements are unfair and her limited anecdotal evidence does not speak to the profession at large.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Walter Bruggeman said a few years back at one of the Emergent Theological Conversations regarding the scripting effect of our culture that the point is not to ever let our kids go to the movies, but teach them how to view the movie wisely.</p>
<p>I would think that the same would apply to public schools.  It is not that we shouldn&#8217;t send them to public schools but equip them to engage that education and the diversity of cultures they will experience there in a wise way.  </p>
<p>Finally, I would like to note that I am a product of the educational system that Cindy sniped at above. I did all right. I don&#8217;t buy into nor appreciate the stereotype.  </p>
<p>I also happen to know multitude of highly qualified, compassionate and dedicated teaching professionals.  It is unfortunate that Julie seems to have never met one. There is no field that has the corner on the incompetence  market.  My guess is there are plenty of deadbeats carrying the degree she has as well.  The implications of Julie&#8217;s statements are unfair and her limited anecdotal evidence does not speak to the profession at large.</p>
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		<title>By: LietoFine</title>
		<link>http://www.emergingparents.com/2007/10/a-reflection-on-education/comment-page-1/#comment-55</link>
		<dc:creator>LietoFine</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 14 Oct 2007 03:01:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi - I have an 18 month old and this is something I think about too.  I&#039;m in a slightly different situation in that I was homeschooled.  Julie said it really well about the stigma of fundamentalist Christian homeschoolers.  I definitely don&#039;t want that for my child, but I&#039;m not sure that I&#039;d be able to prevent it.  Growing up my family was just on the fringes of that and really we did a lot of the good service type things that people are mentioning related to Emergent thought.  The problem I end up seeing is that even though I socialized all the time, I was still a &quot;social misfit&quot; and didn&#039;t really fit in with anyone in a community.  Since our family was service-oriented, people were happy to have us around because we&#039;d do stuff for them, but it never formed into any sort of give and take community.  Whether Emergent or fundamentalist Christian, I don&#039;t want to make my child irrelavent to the world at large because I do things with him so differently than everyone else.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Cristi  :]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi &#8211; I have an 18 month old and this is something I think about too.  I&#8217;m in a slightly different situation in that I was homeschooled.  Julie said it really well about the stigma of fundamentalist Christian homeschoolers.  I definitely don&#8217;t want that for my child, but I&#8217;m not sure that I&#8217;d be able to prevent it.  Growing up my family was just on the fringes of that and really we did a lot of the good service type things that people are mentioning related to Emergent thought.  The problem I end up seeing is that even though I socialized all the time, I was still a &#8220;social misfit&#8221; and didn&#8217;t really fit in with anyone in a community.  Since our family was service-oriented, people were happy to have us around because we&#8217;d do stuff for them, but it never formed into any sort of give and take community.  Whether Emergent or fundamentalist Christian, I don&#8217;t want to make my child irrelavent to the world at large because I do things with him so differently than everyone else.</p>
<p>Cristi  :]</p>
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		<title>By: Sarah Jane Rhee</title>
		<link>http://www.emergingparents.com/2007/10/a-reflection-on-education/comment-page-1/#comment-53</link>
		<dc:creator>Sarah Jane Rhee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 13 Oct 2007 19:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am convinced that the public school system as a whole in our country cannot instill in children a love of learning.  They&#039;re too busy taking standardized tests to be able to develop and pursue their own interests.  What are they learning instead?  How to perform for rewards and avoid punishment.  How to consume.  How to compete.  How to conform.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;My daughter&#039;s only 3, but in Chicago it seems that most kids her age are already in some sort of preschool program.  I don&#039;t think I&#039;d mind her being in a play-based class of some sort for a few hours a week while she&#039;s 3 or 4, but I dread the thought of sending her to school when she&#039;s 5 or 6.  We may try homeshooling/unschooling at that point, as there is a very strong network of Unschoolers in Chicago, so I&#039;d have a community of other parents to support me.&lt;br/&gt;This is definitely something that makes me want to bury my head and cry sometimes.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am convinced that the public school system as a whole in our country cannot instill in children a love of learning.  They&#8217;re too busy taking standardized tests to be able to develop and pursue their own interests.  What are they learning instead?  How to perform for rewards and avoid punishment.  How to consume.  How to compete.  How to conform.</p>
<p>My daughter&#8217;s only 3, but in Chicago it seems that most kids her age are already in some sort of preschool program.  I don&#8217;t think I&#8217;d mind her being in a play-based class of some sort for a few hours a week while she&#8217;s 3 or 4, but I dread the thought of sending her to school when she&#8217;s 5 or 6.  We may try homeshooling/unschooling at that point, as there is a very strong network of Unschoolers in Chicago, so I&#8217;d have a community of other parents to support me.<br />This is definitely something that makes me want to bury my head and cry sometimes.</p>
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